Here's a novel idea

Just after you file your nominating petition, how about taking a lie-detector test?  That’s the idea of George Dredden, a political consultant from Parsippany, who suggests that lie detector tests should be given to all candidates …

What do you think?


About fsnowflack
Fred Snowflack was editorial page editor and a political columnist for the Daily Record of Morristown for almost 12 years. He has won numerous awards for editorial and column writing from the New Jersey Press Association and has written a blog on county and state politics for the last three years. He lives in Ledgewood in Morris County.

33 Responses to Here's a novel idea

  1. ChubbyPaul says:

    You truly are a genius Snowy

  2. As if you are the only person who thinks that?

  3. Mark in Rockaway says:

    I agree, Snowy is a genius. However, your name is Snowflack 😉

    This is a dumb idea, and it makes the republicans look dumb(er) by paying this guy for his consulting services.

    A newly minted candidate probably hasn’t committed any (significant) corruption yet, so what lie would they be caught in? And a seasoned politician could beat any lie detector with ease.

  4. P says:

    Can we hook the current governor up first.

    Here’s an editorial from the APP. Can you count how many lies Corzine is caught telling in just this short piece. Hint – I’ve highlighted them.

    Corzine: It’s not my fault

    Gov. Jon Corzine is taking full advantage of the free advertising he gets as a frequent guest on national television programs to deflect blame for New Jersey’s economic problems. Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” program Tuesday, Corzine attributed the state’s problems entirely to the national and global recession.

    “We need to make it clear that the problems that we have in New Jersey are not the creation of the people of New Jersey nor the policies that we’ve taken,” Corzine told host Joe Scarborough.

    Certainly, New Jersey’s troubles have been aggravated by forces beyond Corzine’s control. But New Jersey’s fiscal woes began well before the recession hit. Corzine has continued the entrenched practices of wasteful spending, pandering to unions, giving public employees benefits taxpayers can’t afford and refusing to take the steps necessary to end the hidden tax of public corruption.

    After refusing to take any responsibility for the piteous state of New Jersey’s economy, Corzine interpreted recent poll results, which show him trailing GOP challenger Chris Christie by 6 to 14 percentage points. “I like to look at November numbers, and New Jersey tends to lean to Democrats when you get around to the close (of campaign season).” Regardless, he might have added, of how qualified they are or how well they have served the people.

    Corzine also tried to distance himself from Wall Street, where he earned his fortune and where many residents have directed their anger, pointing to the excesses and outrageous bonuses given to executives who got this country into its economic mess in the first place. Corzine tapped on his Marine Corps lapel pin, and said that when he emphasizes his six years of service in the Reserves, it “neutralizes” his former role as head of Goldman Sachs. Yeeesh.

    Corzine was upbeat about his re-election chances, again shifting the blame for the state’s economic woes to the former GOP national leadership. “My line is: Why do we want to turn the keys to the Statehouse over to the people who mucked up the White House? People in New Jersey didn’t create the economic crisis and that’s where people are really upset,” he said. It’s sad he refuses to acknowledge that the waste, corruption and poor business climate in New Jersey stem from decisions made in the Statehouse, not in D.C.

    “At the end of the day, (New Jerseyans are) more interested in what’s happening in their house, what’s going around the kitchen table,” Corzine said. He’s right about that. They’re also concerned about keeping that house and putting food on that kitchen table. Corzine’s policies have made that task increasingly difficult.

    Additional Facts:
    It’s sad he refuses to acknowledge that the poor business climate in New Jersey stems from decisions made in the Statehouse, not in D.C.


    I was going to provide the answer here, but I ran out of fingers and toes.

  5. Ted says:

    P, why do you thinkan editorial opinion justifys your opinion? You waste our time. If your thoughts don’t stand on their own merits, they aren’t worth reading.

  6. P says:

    I provided the value-add of clearly identifying all the LIES that Corzine told about the past 3 1/2 years and his responsibility (or lack thereof, in his humble opinion) for the mess that NJ is in.

    I know you’d rather I didn’t keep pointing these things out, but I will continue to, as long as Mr. Corzine isn’t truthful about his time in office.

  7. P says:

    P.S. The power of the Internet is the ability to link and share the thoughts of others. Would you really deny me that right?!

    If you’re not happy about it, just write to and voice your complaints. Former VP (and inventor of the Internet) will get right on it. You’ll see your request implemented in Net.10, which is scheduled to be released in January. 😉

  8. Ted says:

    P,you obviously mean there’s another person who holds an opinion similar to yours and he writes more clearly. A second opinion doesn’t validate yours.

    No one denys you right to google. It’s your laziness or inability to tie it allinto a concise, well worded post.

    And you don’t even cut and paste well.

  9. P says:

    Hey, you can insult my political opinions, but don’t insult my IT prowess.

    Your problem is that you can’t find anyone with the same odd-ball opinions. And concise is a relative term. Writing gibberish, but doing it in one or two sentences, isn’t being concise, it’s just lame.

    I’ll write as many words as I feel are necessary to convey my thought, and not a word more or less. That’s the beauty of the Internet, you’re not confined to fitting something into an artificial limit like column inches in a newspaper.

    If you don’t like what I write (or copy and paste), just switch to another blog. There are plenty out there. Try the DailyKos – the NutRoot guys seem more your style anyway.

  10. Ted says:

    People don’t read the second page. Remember that. Your wordy, convoluted posts weaken your arguments and are, quite frankly an embarassment.

    Actually I believe your style is an attempt bore reders into letting you take control. You then declare victory. The silly part is that you believe it.

    But it’s okay continue the blather and I’ll keep brining you back to reality.

  11. P says:

    Hey Ted, rather than nit-pick the length of my posts, why not answer the charge that Corzine’s been lying to us about the cause of NJ’s financial mess. Is it all W’s fault, or do he, McGreevey and the legislature bear any responsibility?

    I would think you want to clear his record.

  12. Ted says:

    There are many causes to the global financial crisis Which cause do you think is Corzines fault? And what lie did he tell to cover it up?

  13. P says:

    His, (and McGreevey’s and even Whitman’s) policies have driven businesses from this state, they’ve expanded the number of public employees drawing salaries/pensions/health care (and continued to provide increases in comp we cannot afford), he’s added programs that have unsustainable expense growth; in a word – he’s done nothing to get NJ in a position to grow and prosper, unless you are on the public payroll – elected or employed.

    Note – I was going to write more, but I didn’t want to overload your sensors.

    As a guy who also worked as a CEO on Wall Street, as a Senator in WDC, and as our Governor, he’s been all the places that contributed to our problems. In terms of responsibility – He’s hit the Trifecta. I don’t think you can say that about anyone else.

  14. P says:

    So when he tells us that NONE of this is HIS FAULT – He’s either delusional, or lying.

    I told you a while ago, the time for waving the the George Bush/Bloody Flag is almost over. By November 3rd, he will have faded into a distant memory.

  15. Ted says:

    The electorate demand goverment services and as you point out Governers from parties try to meet those needs. That costs money.

    Whitman tried to lower spending but actually shifted responsibility to municipalities. Electorate demands still cost money but payment comes from a different pocket. Voters seem to say “fix the potholes but don’t use my tax dollars to do it.”

    And at the local level, school tax is the driver but voters don’t seem to care and state poliicians are too afraid to take on the teacher’s union.

  16. P says:

    And so your point is that Corzine just did what the people wanted – spend more money that the state didn’t have and run up an even larger debt load? I thought he told us he would use his business acumen to set things straight. If he had run Goldman Sachs the way he’s running NJ, the company would have gone broke.

  17. Ted says:

    Well, I don’t believe the state can deficit spend. But yes, as demand for services rise, so does the need to raise revenue or cut cost. It’s simple math.

    Prior attempts to cut cost shifted burden to municipalities. The GOP ddn’t mind when Whitman did it but they now task Corzine with the job of reducing property tax. Which as we know is a municipal issue.

    There you go again, bringing up Goldman Sachs. Trying to chane subjects or drive an emotional wedge?

  18. Tom Lenox says:

    Blah Blah Blah Blah blah…oh yeah, we were talking about Lie Detectors. Frankly, I think anybody taking a polygraph test seriously is a bad idea – no matter which side of the aisle. A lie detector is simply a game. If you know how to play the game you can pass no matter how absurd the statement. There is a reason why lie detector results are not admissable in court.

  19. P says:

    Tom – Agree about lie detectors. Look at how many people in the FBI and CIA passed test but were selling us out.

    Ted – The guy worked at Goldman Sachs. As you like to say “it’s a fact”.

    Regarding his performance in office – Corzine promised to help with property tax relief by increasing our rebates by 40% over the four years he’d be in office (another fact). Instead, other than seniors, we’ll all be getting bupkis this year, and many of us got that last year too (also a fact). So he wasn’t “tasked” with it, no one twisted his arm, it was a campaign promise!

    He also failed to really fix that Abbott mess. As a former BOE member you know that no one in Morris County is getting their fair share of school aid. If Rockaway was receiving what they should, your property taxes would be cut by 20 – 40%. Another promise broken.

    And in case you hadn’t noticed, conservatives ran CTW out of the party. That’s why she wrote her whining autobio “It’s My Party Too.” No, it’s not.

  20. Independent Voter says:

    I’m not sure how a polygraph test would be valuable. Avoiding obvious political implications in the questions posed would be a hat dance at best, and ultimately prove nothing. Unfortunately, the only proof of a politician’s integrity may very well be not finding 90 thousand dollars in his refrigerator.

  21. P says:

    The real problem is the concentration of power in too few hands. Too many pols with multiple paid and elected positions. Too many laws restricting what we can do without someone in the government giving us permission makes it too easy for a bunch of lowlifes to take advantage of the system.

    How about the ethics reform we were promised four years ago. Eliminate the ability to hold multiple offices, and not grandfather any of the crooks already in the system; one government paycheck, one government pension.

    Too many people are spending their time legally lining their pockets at our expense. You can’t be the under sheriff of Union county, or the superintendent of the JC school system, and also serve in Trenton.

    It will be great for you when it’s time to collect all those pensions, but in the meantime, either you employer or your constituents, or both are getting shafted.

    We need a Nightline show where they read all the names of the crooked politicians that have gone to jail in the past twenty years. After going on for half an hour, maybe people will get the message.

  22. Ted says:

    Well P, nobody lies about holding multiple jobs and as far as promises to reform go.Corzine has to rely on politicians who’ve benefited from rules allowing such activity. Reform will take time. Would you rather a governor who is against reform?

  23. P says:

    I would rather has a governor who has the guts to stand up to the politicians of both parties. Corzine didn’t even try. The reform we got was weak and will change nothing in terms of corruption in the state.

    Please point out to me where in the post above I used the term “lies”

  24. Ted says:

    I’m not suprised at you’re confusion. The blog is about lying politicians, not your blather.

    Like I said, reform takes time. Corzine is asking lawmakers to change the rules from which many of them benefited.

  25. P says:

    Actually, it was a recommendation to catch crooked politicians –

    And my point was that lie detectors aren’t reliable enough, and that they only addressing the symptom, not the problem.

    So how much time should we give the Governor? Another four years? Can NJ really afford to wait that long?

    I say, Time’s Up. I’d even say vote for Daggett if you don’t like Christie, before I’d give JC another term in office.

  26. Ted says:

    As you pointed out, a vote for Dggett is a vote against Christie

  27. P says:

    Not exactly, but it’s a waste to try to argue with BlatherBoy (aka Ted) when he decides to twist your argument into his.

    And we’re still waiting for the number of years New Jersians should wait patiently while its anointed royalty (our double and triple dipping public employees and elected officials) rips us off before we get any meaningful reform from Gov Corzine.

    My predication – If we are really dumb enough to re-elect him, it will never happen. Once he’s a lame duck, no one will pay attention to him.

  28. Ted says:

    Actually you did state that Dagget’s numbers help Corzine. But for some reason you feel Daggett supporters will pull the lever for Christie.

    Now put aside your 91 words of blather and get back to your foolish comment about lie dectors. Why mus you attempt to chane subjects? We get that you don’t want Corzine to win. STAY FOCUSED

  29. P says:

    Ted – What’s the last idea (original or otherwise) that you contibuted to this blog? Calling me stupid and a liar don’t count.

  30. Ted says:

    I guess that’ an improvement, only 23 words of blather

  31. P says:

    I’d suggest hooking a lie detector to Ted, but the machine would be broken within 15 minutes of his commenting on this blog. 😉

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